How is it any people cannot put themselves in that place with imagining? Even animals could identify with what would not be desirable. Humans should have the sensibility to know they would not want what the animals being used are put through, we can likewise choose to not have anything to do with that, and we can already find out ourselves that there are ways to be very healthy this way without products from animals. And the same amount of use of resources for it and contribution to damage to environments with loss of species does not need to be continued then. https://healthyaging.emory.edu/could-eating-30-plants-a-week-be-the-answer-to-better-health/

    • fartsparkles@lemmy.worldEnglish
      473·
      19 days ago

      Not a vegan but since when is posting vegan content to a vegan community “spamming”?

      Why are you even in here!?

      • captainlezbian@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        18 days ago

        Yeah, if you can’t respond to vegans respectably in their own space block it. I’m also not one, but I respect their lifestyle so I don’t feel the need to block them. Unlike the carnivore community which I can’t interact with respectfully and have blocked

    • uniquethrowagay@feddit.orgEnglish
      344·
      19 days ago

      People eat way more meat than humans “evolved to eat” and more than is healthy. Stop pretending it’s about biology. It’s not. Humans are omnivores and are perfectly fine without animal products.

      Eat meat if you want to, but please be honest to yourself. You don’t need it, you want it. And you support unfathomable cruelty doing so. That is not “vegan bs”, but reality.

      I’m not vegan myself, not even strictly vegetarian. Still I can acknowledge OPs point wholeheartedly.

      Edit: also I just noticed this is a vegan community. Just block it and go on with your life instead of whining about so called spam??

      • Jarix@lemmy.worldEnglish
        24·
        18 days ago

        We absolutely are not okay without eating animal products. I have just been diagnosed with a vitamin B12 deficiency and have learned this lesson personally. We are now capable of living without animal products but we are by no means healthy without them.

        It requires some of the most ultra processed creations in existence to compensate for that nutrient to exist without it coming from an animal product

        • TheTechnician27@lemmy.worldMEnglish
          5·
          18 days ago

          We absolutely are not okay without eating animal products.

          Please don’t spread pseudoscientific bullshit based on anecdotal evidence. Not only are humans “now” capable of living without animal products, but meta-analysis after meta-analysis (linked is just a sample) shows that humans are healthier for it.

          The extent of that health benefit? That’s a grey area that can make for a rational discussion. That it’s blanket unhealthy? The exact opposite of what modern medical science says, and we don’t put up with it here – not for ethical reasons, because “plant-based dieting is healthy” isn’t a tenet of veganism, but because medical disinformation isn’t allowed on Lemmy.World (and shouldn’t be tolerated anywhere).

    • Borger@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      202·
      19 days ago

      Brave of you to comment this in the vegan community 😅

      I’m also not vegan but I absolutely support ending factory farming, cutting down on meat in general (even free range), and having a veg-first diet. I think we can be better, even if we don’t go vegan. For me personally, the environmental impact (methane) is more significant than any moral directive.

      OP, the cognitive dissonance you point out is totally valid. I honestly think it almost entirely boils down to how far removed we (the general population) are from the process that ends with ingredients in the fridge.

      If you took me to a chicken coop, gave me a butcher knife, and told me I had to prepare dinner with one of the little fellas I’d probably make a run for it. Which is quite hypocritical of me as a chicken enjoyer.

      Perhaps another small part of it is the boundary of what people can/cannot empathise with. To be completely honest I feel far less for things like shrimp and oysters than I do about cows and chickens. I don’t know if that’s backed by the science (they don’t “feel”/comprehend as much) or just my narrow mindedness about how other life forms work.

        • MML@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          21·
          18 days ago

          And their ancestors most likely ate like peasants not royalty. They can drink bacon fat at every meal, I’m still going to find them at least as annoying as the vegan.

            • MML@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              1·
              18 days ago

              Well /u/tryll1980 is a dumbass and harping for complete meat elimination to the masses ain’t going to happen, tired of hearing the same shit, you might not say that’s where OP was headed but again, been here, done that. We could start with the way factory farming is fucked but most of the core would rather have an all or nothing victory