Comments for 33 Bits of Entropy https://33bits.wordpress.com The End of Anonymized Data and What to Do About It Mon, 08 Sep 2014 16:10:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ Comment on The job talk is a performance by Anthony Goldbloom https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/02/09/the-job-talk-is-a-performance/#comment-21777 Sun, 13 Jul 2014 17:07:16 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1091#comment-21777 In reply to Anthony Goldbloom.

Oops, just saw your answer above. Please ignore this question.

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Comment on The job talk is a performance by Anthony Goldbloom https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/02/09/the-job-talk-is-a-performance/#comment-21723 Sat, 12 Jul 2014 18:14:04 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1091#comment-21723 Arvind,intrigued by this footnote:

“[3] I hasten to add that teaching is very different from public speaking and is emphatically not a performance.”

Can you elaborate on some of the differences a presentation that’s oriented towards teaching?

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Comment on Personalized coupons as a vehicle for perfect price discrimination by dewimorgan https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/06/25/personalized-coupons-price-discrimination/#comment-16277 Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:56:56 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1124#comment-16277 In reply to Arvind Narayanan.

It seems to me that complex data mining simply isn’t needed for this purpose, and that to claim otherwise is an instance of “if you have a hammer”ism – if you’re a data miner, everything looks like it could be improved with data mining.

A concrete example: my local store, HEB, gives me a coupon for money off five Hot Poockets, when I buy four. When I buy eight, it suggests I buy ten. And so forth. It encourages me to scale up by about 20-25% on one or more products in my cart, each shopping trip. They don’t always offer coupons on hot pockets – it can be other items. they don’t always offer coupons on things I specifically bought, but rather on things that are often bought with them: if I buy hot dogs, they might offer me a coupon on hot dog buns even if I didn’t buy them. So while, this week, I might’ve bought my buns elsewhere, next week, I might buy them in HEB, too, making me more loyal.

They don’t need complex profiling: they just need to know that “you bought a few of X on this shopping trip, so are likely to buy it again, and with some money off, can probably encouraged to stretch your spending on that item a little further, and buy 25% more. Further, by giving you coupons you can actually use, for products you actually buy, we can make you more loyal.”

They don’t even need a store card system. A store card and rewards point system would get, I would argue, negligible benefit over and above this *delightfully anonymous*, point-of-sale coupon system.

Anonymity is nice, and I appreciate it as a consumer: tracking-by-store-card is a whole less nice, so please don’t encourage it, even if that is what your research pertains to.

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Comment on De-anonymizing the Internet by Anne Ominous https://33bits.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/de-anonymizing-the-internet/#comment-16152 Mon, 21 Apr 2014 01:05:34 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=108#comment-16152 In reply to Arvind Narayanan.

Not so.

I am not at all surprised that this could be a viable technique. My point was that the evidence as presented on this page does not appear to strongly establish that viability.

That is what I wrote, that is what I meant.

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Comment on Academic publishing as (ruinous) competition: Is there a way out? by vznvzn https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/academic-publishing-as-ruinous-competition-is-there-a-way-out/#comment-8480 Thu, 26 Sep 2013 17:42:47 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1129#comment-8480 great topics, interesting, I too am very interested in polymath & very attracted to nielsen’s broad/sweeping new ideas on network/highly collaborative science. have been blogging some on the subject myself eg here & plan to write more. just finished reading his book recently.

he has an interesting chapter on “incentives” which I regard as key and which could easily merit/fill an entire book itself. he says we are possibly in the middle of a realignment, even paradigm shift, & agree with this somewhat. but its a long slow process. akin to turning a battleship around. one can maybe see an early example of some shift in “incentives” in the stackexchange “rep/point” model.

when I started my blog, thought that finding likeminded volunteers/collaborators/contributors might not be so hard. there are tens of thousands of open source projects eg on github or sourceforge. but how many open source/collaborative science projects are there? there seem to be very few. polymath is a great model, but it doesnt at all look at motivation and incentive, its sort of the elephant in the room, swept under the rug. and (gasp! full disclosure!) its not really as successful as you might think. it turns out to be very challenging even finding a dribble of people (or even a single other person!) to team up on semifamous problems widely regarded as significant, eg in my case the collatz conjecture, or work on famous open problems with large rewards, eg P vs NP.

I worked in a scientific lab 4 yrs as undergraduate (neurobiology) and saw the incentive system and decided against it in favor of “industry”. there seemed to be maybe only one person in the lab making good money– the head of the lab, who also seemed somewhat an anomaly. the very choice of science seems to necessarily/fundamentally involve a sacrifice of incentive. bringing this out in the open as you have done in your blog is part of the evolution toward something better.

there is a very interesting book on the subject of competition vs cooperation and evolutionary arms races, try “red queen race” by matt ridley. also the economic concepts related to “tragedy of the commons” seems to be relevant also.

worth a whole blog at least! intend to write further on this on my blog.

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Comment on Academic publishing as (ruinous) competition: Is there a way out? by Rod Carvalho https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/academic-publishing-as-ruinous-competition-is-there-a-way-out/#comment-7628 Wed, 17 Jul 2013 20:04:38 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1129#comment-7628 Typo: “Michael Neilsen” -> “Michael Nielsen”

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Comment on Academic publishing as (ruinous) competition: Is there a way out? by Arvind Narayanan https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/academic-publishing-as-ruinous-competition-is-there-a-way-out/#comment-7595 Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:02:33 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1129#comment-7595 In reply to yospud (@yospud).

If only it were that simple. Doing science in the Wikipedia model where volunteers contribute in their spare time would take us back a couple hundred years to the amateur era of science. Modern science requires several years of training to be productive, and we want to do it on a large scale, so it needs to be done by professionals. Finding a way for people to collaborate openly while also getting paid (and hence, having a way to measure contributions fairly and accurately) is a phenomenally more difficult problem.

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Comment on Academic publishing as (ruinous) competition: Is there a way out? by yospud (@yospud) https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/academic-publishing-as-ruinous-competition-is-there-a-way-out/#comment-7567 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:33:47 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1129#comment-7567 online collaboration…. no vetting of participants… no keeping score of who contributed what…. reinvented wikipedia ?

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Comment on Academic publishing as (ruinous) competition: Is there a way out? by Joe Bob https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/academic-publishing-as-ruinous-competition-is-there-a-way-out/#comment-7566 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:25:44 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1129#comment-7566 Review papers anonymously perhaps. The wording would have to fit a certain style in order to not be discernible as to reveal author/s, but it would certainly take brand and reputation inflation out of the mix.

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Comment on Academic publishing as (ruinous) competition: Is there a way out? by Alexandr https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/academic-publishing-as-ruinous-competition-is-there-a-way-out/#comment-7565 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:57:59 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1129#comment-7565 With regard to collaboration like Polymath. As far as I understand in the scientific opensource there are several levels of contribution credit for it:
1. Directly in the code: (Module written by Dr. Bla, Bla Bla University, 2012)
2. When enough contributions are accepted to the main tree, the person could end up in the contributors list in the software output (or smth like that)
3. If person implemented completely a method, explicit citation of this method could be asked
4. Finally, end up as a co-author in the paper updating the community on the progress made in the developing in this software (new features, etc)

Alexandr

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Comment on Academic publishing as (ruinous) competition: Is there a way out? by michaelawanders https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/academic-publishing-as-ruinous-competition-is-there-a-way-out/#comment-7562 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:25:34 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1129#comment-7562 In reply to Arvind Narayanan.

Yes, you definitely have found a way to buck the trend and seem to have found a really good balance! Don’t worry–the competition/pressure to publish isn’t the only thing making me reconsider a future in academia. I just don’t think it’s what I’m supposed to be doing in the future.

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Comment on Academic publishing as (ruinous) competition: Is there a way out? by Arvind Narayanan https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/academic-publishing-as-ruinous-competition-is-there-a-way-out/#comment-7561 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:51:33 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1129#comment-7561 In reply to michaelawanders.

I hope you also take into account the positive message I expressed toward the end — while playing the game might be the safest way to succeed in academia, I don’t think it’s the only way. I’m quite happy with the balance I’ve found between publishing and doing research the way I want.

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Comment on Academic publishing as (ruinous) competition: Is there a way out? by PS https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/academic-publishing-as-ruinous-competition-is-there-a-way-out/#comment-7559 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:27:40 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1129#comment-7559 Great post.

PS: Would really love to hear the reasons that changed your mind and made you decide to apply to (and then join) academia!

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Comment on Academic publishing as (ruinous) competition: Is there a way out? by michaelawanders https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/academic-publishing-as-ruinous-competition-is-there-a-way-out/#comment-7558 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:09:40 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1129#comment-7558 I’ve heard many of the same critiques from my professors–great articulation here of one of the reasons I DON’T want to go into academia one day!

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Comment on Personalized coupons as a vehicle for perfect price discrimination by Daniel Neely https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/06/25/personalized-coupons-price-discrimination/#comment-7034 Thu, 27 Jun 2013 03:16:18 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1124#comment-7034 My local grocery chain, Giant Eagle, has been experimenting with printed personalized coupons for the last few years. At present what they’re doing is more about nagging me to start buying stuff again. A few times a year they send a mailing with a half dozen coupons for items I buy semi-regularly; but haven’t purchased recently.

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Comment on Personalized coupons as a vehicle for perfect price discrimination by Peter Honeyman https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/06/25/personalized-coupons-price-discrimination/#comment-7019 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 20:38:52 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1124#comment-7019 My local supermarket —Krogers — sends me personalized coupons monthly. I love them. Who wouldn’t love FREE Häagen-Dazs (limit one, alas), or a “$3 off anything” coupon? This is included in a pack of about 20 they send each month.

Krogers “gets” me: nearly every coupon they send is for a product I like and buy regularly. Krogers also knows how disorganized I am, and attaches coupons directly to my scan tag.

On the other hand, Krogers knows more about me than even Google or Facebook in a lot of ways … a little scary.

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Comment on Personalized coupons as a vehicle for perfect price discrimination by Arvind Narayanan https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/06/25/personalized-coupons-price-discrimination/#comment-7018 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 18:31:09 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1124#comment-7018 In reply to Zack.

“I think you will find that at least a substantial minority of customers hate coupons”

I suppose we disagree on just how substantial that minority is.

“I would go so far as to say that price discrimination of any kind will always be perceived as unfair by all customers who are aware that it is, in fact, price discrimination.”

Quite possibly, but that doesn’t say much from my perspective. People hate anything with the dreaded d-word in it, justified or not, so of course if they see it as price discrimination they’ll hate it. As a corollary, take an example of price discrimination that’s seen as socially just — say need-based educational scholarships — and try convincing people that it is, in fact, price discrimination.

More to the point, I have a rather dim view of what it is that consumers do perceive. I went into this in some detail in my previous post — price fairness perceptions are highly susceptible to the way the transaction is framed.

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Comment on Personalized coupons as a vehicle for perfect price discrimination by Arvind Narayanan https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/06/25/personalized-coupons-price-discrimination/#comment-7016 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 18:20:25 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1124#comment-7016 In reply to Suresh Venkat (@geomblog).

Good point. I’d be curious to know if those are seen by retailers as a way to push new products or a way to price discriminate (or both).

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Comment on Personalized coupons as a vehicle for perfect price discrimination by Suresh Venkat (@geomblog) https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/06/25/personalized-coupons-price-discrimination/#comment-7015 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 17:53:44 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1124#comment-7015 There are some kinds of traditional personalized coupons (if only in a weak personalized way): when you check out at a grocery store you get coupons related to what you just purchased. It’s not full profile-based personalization, but it is different for different people.

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Comment on Personalized coupons as a vehicle for perfect price discrimination by Zack https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/06/25/personalized-coupons-price-discrimination/#comment-7014 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 17:34:06 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1124#comment-7014 I take exception to “customers love coupons” and “coupons are not perceived as unfair”: I think you will find that at least a substantial minority of customers hate coupons, and that while this is principally because of the time cost of finding and redeeming them, it is also because coupons are perceived as unfair.

I would go so far as to say that price discrimination of any kind is always perceived as unfair by customers who are aware that it is, in fact, price discrimination.

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Comment on Personalized coupons as a vehicle for perfect price discrimination by Zack https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/06/25/personalized-coupons-price-discrimination/#comment-7013 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 17:32:55 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1124#comment-7013 I take exception to “customers love coupons” and “coupons are not perceived as unfair”: I think you will find that at least a substantial minority of customers hate coupons, and that while this is principally because of the time cost of finding and redeeming them, it is also because coupons are perceived as unfair.

I would go so far as to say that price discrimination of any kind will always be perceived as unfair by all customers who are aware that it is, in fact, price discrimination.

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Comment on Is Writing Style Sufficient to Deanonymize Material Posted Online? by gwern https://33bits.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/is-writing-style-sufficient-to-deanonymize-material-posted-online/#comment-6576 Fri, 24 May 2013 20:23:51 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1023#comment-6576 In reply to Arvind Narayanan.

Meh. I don’t need data, I can always generate my own data, the data isn’t the point of the paper…

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Comment on Is Writing Style Sufficient to Deanonymize Material Posted Online? by Arvind Narayanan https://33bits.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/is-writing-style-sufficient-to-deanonymize-material-posted-online/#comment-6575 Fri, 24 May 2013 19:57:10 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1023#comment-6575 In reply to gwern.

No, but you can get the data by emailing us.

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Comment on Privacy technologies course roundup: Wiki, student projects, HotPETs by simsong https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/05/23/privacy-technologies-course-roundup-wiki-student-projects-hotpets/#comment-6574 Fri, 24 May 2013 19:46:40 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1113#comment-6574 Thanks for posting this. I’ve been following the blog closely. I’m glad that things are working out well at Princeton. Students sound great!

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Comment on Is Writing Style Sufficient to Deanonymize Material Posted Online? by gwern https://33bits.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/is-writing-style-sufficient-to-deanonymize-material-posted-online/#comment-6557 Thu, 23 May 2013 19:59:36 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1023#comment-6557 Was the source code for this ever provided? It doesn’t seem to be mentioned in the paper.

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Comment on New Developments in Deanonymization by Álvaro Del Hoyotochowsky https://33bits.wordpress.com/2012/12/17/new-developments-in-deanonymization/#comment-6331 Mon, 29 Apr 2013 06:04:42 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1072#comment-6331 Hi, Arvind

It is a long time since I sent my last comment/question :-)

Now that all major telco operators are starting to sell our profiles jointly with location data anonymized and aggregated I was wondering if you have research a bit on the issue

Any idea about anonymization combined with aggregation approaches they are using?

Dynamic or persistent data masking?

What can you tell us about data masking techniques are they really efficient?

Thank you so much for all your posts. Keep on

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Comment on Privacy technologies: An annotated syllabus by Christine Rehm https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/privacy-technologies-an-annotated-syllabus/#comment-6187 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 03:29:10 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1105#comment-6187 Thank you so much for sharing! As a student interested in privacy, this is really great.

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Comment on Privacy technologies: An annotated syllabus by Dustin Ho https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/privacy-technologies-an-annotated-syllabus/#comment-6183 Tue, 16 Apr 2013 18:46:03 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1105#comment-6183 This is extremely useful, thanks for putting this material online.

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Comment on Unlikely Outcomes? A Distributed Discussion on Decentralized Personal Data Architectures by Cameron Lewis https://33bits.wordpress.com/2013/03/27/unlikely-outcomes-a-distributed-discussion-on-decentralized-personal-data-architectures/#comment-6092 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 23:39:23 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1098#comment-6092 I have long thought that a person behavioral data trading model, based on Board of Trade, where individuals are treated as producers (anonymous) & data types are treated as commodities (aggregate, longitudinal) and buyers could select data samples based on commodity types (cohorts) would be a great ecommerce opportunity & a way to get the most accurate empirical data into use.

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Comment on Five Surprises from My Computer Science Academic Job Search by Aravind Srinivasan https://33bits.wordpress.com/2012/10/01/five-surprises-from-the-computer-science-academic-job-search/#comment-5871 Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:48:00 +0000 http://33bits.org/?p=1063#comment-5871 Nice article, Arvind. I will share it with our soon-to-graduate students. And, my very late apologies for having to miss your talk when you were here last Spring!

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