Comments for Eye Math https://eyemath.wordpress.com Explorations in Visual Mathematics Sun, 19 Aug 2018 16:20:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ Comment on Very Large Numbers are Not Numbers, and Infinity Doesn’t Exist by The Evolution of Mathematics on Planet Earth – Nature...Brain...Language...Technology...Design https://eyemath.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/very-large-numbers-are-not-numbers-infinity-is-dead/#comment-113 Tue, 11 Aug 2015 07:25:50 +0000 http://eyemath.wordpress.com/?p=128#comment-113 […] articles on the subject of math, and raised questions as to the universality, truth-status, and God-givenness of Math. Here is something to consider about Math and […]

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Comment on Why is it a Color “Wheel” and Not a Color “Line”? by Steven Clausnitzer https://eyemath.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/why-is-it-a-color-wheel-and-not-a-color-line/#comment-97 Mon, 08 Dec 2014 16:38:14 +0000 http://eyemath.wordpress.com/?p=468#comment-97 I thought that you should know that your post sparked a nice discussion on Hubski: https://hubski.com/pub?id=193556 -Feel free to join in. Thanks for the great content

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Comment on Why is it a Color “Wheel” and Not a Color “Line”? by David Briggs https://eyemath.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/why-is-it-a-color-wheel-and-not-a-color-line/#comment-96 Mon, 08 Dec 2014 13:36:56 +0000 http://eyemath.wordpress.com/?p=468#comment-96 As Steve Witham said, the four possible combinations of red OR green and yellow OR blue opponent signals create the 360 degree range of possible hues.

Violet (i.e. reddish blue) is visible in our spectrum as well as Newton’s, and Newton certainly did not add it to bring the number of colours to seven; because it is in both the five-hue and the ten-hue divisions of the spectrum he described in his Optical Lectures of 1670-72. Dr Burton may be getting confused with the suggestion that has often been made that Newton included indigo in the final seven to fit with his suggested analogy with a musical scale.
Also, Newton did not give “each of the color as much proportional room on the wheel as they have in a spectrum”, but instead adjusted the intervals to those that the notes of a Dorian modal scale occupy in a circular diagram. See Fig. 7.1.7 and 7.1.8 here:
http://www.huevaluechroma.com/071.php

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Comment on What is Visual Mathematics? by Jeffrey Ventrella https://eyemath.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/what-is-visual-mathematics/#comment-95 Sat, 06 Dec 2014 17:53:48 +0000 http://eyemath.wordpress.com/?p=5#comment-95 Thanks Mike – your comment is right on. I actually went back and changed the wording a bit concerning rules. Thank you :)

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Comment on What is Visual Mathematics? by mnaylor375 https://eyemath.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/what-is-visual-mathematics/#comment-94 Sat, 06 Dec 2014 10:39:52 +0000 http://eyemath.wordpress.com/?p=5#comment-94 Hi Jeffrey! Exciting stuff! I share your views on math, and I’ve been a math education professional for over 20 years. I am also a digital artist. I’d be careful saying you hate rules — you really don’t. I think you hate rules without reason or purpose! Every picture you make is according to rules. And every you picture you create is a solution to a problem you created. In fact, every step of your process is a series of small problems that you’re finding solutions for! I don’t think we should hate on rules and solutions — rules produce amazing artwork and are the structure for math. Rules are toys to play with!

Looking forward to reading more and seeing more of your stuff!

Mike

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Comment on Why is it a Color “Wheel” and Not a Color “Line”? by Steve Witham https://eyemath.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/why-is-it-a-color-wheel-and-not-a-color-line/#comment-93 Sat, 06 Dec 2014 06:59:13 +0000 http://eyemath.wordpress.com/?p=468#comment-93 Hi. You mention the “opponent process” theory. I think it’s pretty well established that the signals about color that come out of the retina are encoded as red-vs-green, blue-vs-yellow, and “white-vs-black” or “lightness”. If you ignore the lightness aspect, the combination of R-G and B-Y gives you a two-dimensional space with saturated colors around the outside, and unsaturated in the middle. There are no impossible colors or discontinuities around the outside of that square, so if someone is investigating “colors” they’re implicitly looking at saturated colors, and that’s like walking around a room that has a big pillar or round table in the center. The corners aren’t particularly noticeable, so you’d come out with the impression that colors form a cycle.

This page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lab_color_space has some images that give an idea of what that space (including lightness) is like. Purple is definitely there between blue and red. L*a*b* models colors as our brains perceive them in such a way that distances in the space match amount of difference between colors as people report perceiving it. I think it’s Munsell who first systematically built a color model based on that kind of experiment.

(L*a*b* also suggests why orange seems to deserve a place of its own, whereas RGB goes red, yellow, green..)

I have to admit the existence of purple always bothered me and I sort of took people’s word for it that the colors indigo and violet existed at the end of the rainbow.

Physical color is *not* one-dimensional! Light is a mixture of different amounts of *all* the possible wavelengths in the range we can perceive. Each wavelength amounts to a separate dimension, so the physical color space is infinite-dimensional (although a finite amount of energy can only convey a finite amount of information). That infinite-dimensional variety of colors is reduced to four dimensions by the RGBW sensors in the eyes, and then down to three dimensions by the retina’s coding scheme, then down to two dimensions if you’re ignoring lightness, and then a loop if you’re looking for colors as opposed to gray.

The R, G and B sensors each respond to a different extent to each spectrum line, their responses form three funky overlapping curves http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_vision#mediaviewer/File:Cone-fundamentals-with-srgb-spectrum.svg . After encoding to R-G and B-Y, the responses to individual spectrum lines arrange themselves in an unevenly-spaced way on a nearly-closed C curve around that perceptual room.

(The red and green response curves are very similar, but evolution apparently thinks that that difference is very important, and that’s why the yellow space gets stretched enough for orange to have a place.)

I guess you could say we *confuse* the spectrum with the loop because of that C curve. Maybe that’s why people imagine indigo and violet there. Moving along the C curve, you’re moving in the direction (in the room) towards purple as the blue fades out. The idea that purple is on the rainbow is like the idea that the end of a rainbow touches down somewhere on the earth (which I only clearly realized in adulthood that it doesn’t). The earth and purple are really there, but the end of the rainbow just perceptually points *toward* purple the way it points toward the earth.

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Comment on Is There Such a Thing As Math Without Numbers? by Geoffrey Cadman https://eyemath.wordpress.com/2012/04/21/is-there-such-thing-as-math-without-numbers/#comment-91 Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:36:29 +0000 http://eyemath.wordpress.com/?p=410#comment-91 Interesting debate, I approach the problem possibly In a different way, by way of negative numbers. Euclidean geometry would tell us that negative does not exist only positive numbers exist. Examples are numerous in physics. Freezing point and absolute zero freezing point. Merely a convenient way humans address for convenience where we put the nought. The scale of nought being the point at which water freezes and becomes a solid.

Between nought and one on the line we can make divisions two halves four quarters etc. Try and dig a hole in the ground and you will find a new level which is not negative?

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Comment on Is There Such a Thing As Math Without Numbers? by weatherlite https://eyemath.wordpress.com/2012/04/21/is-there-such-thing-as-math-without-numbers/#comment-54 Mon, 14 Apr 2014 13:45:31 +0000 http://eyemath.wordpress.com/?p=410#comment-54 Reblogged this on knowyourselffree.

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Comment on Very Large Numbers are Not Numbers, and Infinity Doesn’t Exist by Deacon, Dehaene, Rotman, and Tegmark: More on the Nature of Mathematics – JJ Ventrella Thing https://eyemath.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/very-large-numbers-are-not-numbers-infinity-is-dead/#comment-44 Sun, 02 Feb 2014 04:49:35 +0000 http://eyemath.wordpress.com/?p=128#comment-44 […] once wrote a blog post about Brian Rotman’s book, Ad Infinitum, in which he advocates “taking God out of […]

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Comment on Is There Such a Thing As Math Without Numbers? by Matt https://eyemath.wordpress.com/2012/04/21/is-there-such-thing-as-math-without-numbers/#comment-43 Wed, 22 Jan 2014 19:40:28 +0000 http://eyemath.wordpress.com/?p=410#comment-43 im no math expert but i had this same question check out this website slightly related but still over my head
http://modeling.asu.edu/CIMM/TheMathProblem_5-08.htm

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