You will own nothing and be happy about it.
No, he actually said “There is a very real scenario in which personal computing as we know it is dead.”
Welcome to headlines lying to your face
Didn’t Apple just launch a $600 laptop?
can it run Linux?
It has indeed. One with 8GB RAM, not upgradable. Strictly limited to MacOS, no Linux no nothing.
Don’t get me wrong, it is a fantastic offer but decisively non-modular and non upgradeable and no freedom of operating system choice. Framework’s laptop’s are the opposite, they are modular, upgradeable and easily repairable, with replacement parts being sold at a fair price.
The new Apple Neo has come a long way with a relatively clean interior and decently easy battery replacement procedure. That is less their own doing though and more them preparing for new EU legislation mandating exactly that.
Strictly limited to MacOS, no Linux no nothing.
You can run Linux on the ARM MacBooks.
Not on M3 and newer. That means everything released in the last 2-3 years
There’s nothing magic about the M3 and newer machines stopping you from running Linux on them.
Asahi already has some early support for them.
One with 8GB RAM, not upgradable. Strictly limited to MacOS, no Linux no nothing.
Which, in the history of computing devices, certainly is nothing new. Apple, and others, has been doing this pretty much forever.
Oh, then I must have imagined the Mac I used years back with Windows just a false memory imprint I suppose. I was not saying that all of the above is a deal braker for everyone but it is definitely a deal breaker for some. Certainly if you want to use Linux, the Neo is simply not an option at all. Most Windows laptops are though and especially Framework laptops are very much so.
The fact that Apple doesn’t really want you to use their stuff with other systems doesn’t mean that you absolutely cannot do so. I don’t know what gave you that absurd idea.
And even the relatively generic PC computers we have nowadays are designed to be quite hostile to anything that isn’t Windows, even though we manage to work around it in most cases.
screen replacement isn’t too crazy either on those which I do appreciate. the cost of parts is still high tho we’ll see if it comes down in the future
I haven’t checked in a while. Maybe I misremembered from Fairphone. There the replacement parts are perfectly reasonably priced and even replacing the screen is dead simple. As far as it comes to repairability Framework laptops are certainly great though, maybe prices are still not all the way there though.
For the grand majority of people having hardware that lasts longer is more important than hardware that can be repaired
If you think a repairable thing can’t last long or something that can last long cant be repairable then you’re mistaken
Why wouldn’t you put Asahi on it?
Pretty sure the problem is you can’t.
Of course you can, why can’t you?
Only M-series SoCs can run Asahi.
Did Apple lock a bootloader or something? A link would go a long way to helping others understand what you already seem to know
Proprietary hardware and nobody reverse engineered the drivers for graphics and all the proprietary shit.
They didn’t technically locked it down but they making sure that using an alternative operating system it’s a miserable experience
Here go to this page https://asahilinux.org/fedora/#device-support
Do you see the Neo on there? It’s an entirely different chip than the M-series so they don’t even have drivers for the SoC in the Neo
Is the bootloader locked like on iOS devices? If not, there’s probably a chance it can eventually run Asahi
Probably eventually, so not right now. And it’s not a certainty though, M3 and 4 aren’t even fully supported they are missing GPU acceleration. Don’t buy a Neo today on the hope of running Asahi on it someday.
No, but Asahi Linux works only for M1 and M2 as of now. They need to reverse engineer a lot and want to get it working there well enough before even attempting M3. The Apple Neo is neither of those, it is an A18 Pro. Entirely different SOC.
Go research it. It doesn’t work. Moron
I did, and nothing says you can’t?
Why did you get so angry you absolute unhinged weirdo? Why would this make you that upset?
I sincerely wish life is as kind to you as you are to others
Its $500 for students
Apple is part of the problem
Now, if only they considered not sponsoring nazis… https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/14/framework_linux_controversy/
Between Framework at least trying to build an open ecosystem, there are very very few other options out there. Yes they can probably do better, still they are effectively the only decent open option (for me at least) at a reasonable price and quality.
Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t call them out though.
Hyprland might have some toxic community issues but calling it the project of Nazis is outright disinformation. The guy behind Omarchy is also likely not a Nazi, he might be called right extreme through, certainly anti-Islam and anti-Immigration. Nothing of that bleeds into the Omarchy project which has really nothing to do with politics. Now the question is are you going to support an apolitical project that you like for its merits, if the key person behind it is far right, or do you not?
I can understand both positions but just supporting such a project, doesn’t make every supporter a right extreme, let alone a Nazi. That is hyperbole.
The guy behind Omarchy is also likely not a Nazi
He once said London is worse because it has fewer whites. He used some shitty noncommital dogwhistle phrase like “native British” or something like that, but the statistic he referred to (and actually referenced when saying that) was about the percentage of white Londoners. When this was pointed out to him, he didn’t go “oops, how embarrassing, let me adjust the statistics I referred to”, or “let me clarify my point” or anything like that. He just whined that he wasn’t allowed to have an opinion. Not what I’d expect from someone who said white nationalist stuff by accident.
So, is he a card carrying member of the early 20th century German National Socialist party? No. But I don’t think it’s overblown to call him a nazi.
This post has some more details:
https://tekin.co.uk/2025/09/the-ruby-community-has-a-dhh-problem
I don’t know what you’re expecting debating with a .ml honestly.
I’ve seen the many forms in which human stupidity manifests, but Lemmy instance tribalism is absolutely one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen.
You realize that “apolitical” is an extremely well-known nazi dog-whistle / pure apologetics these days, right? I’m not saying you shouldn’t buy framework, that’s your call to make, and my threshold-to-nazi is clearly different from yours, but I do think people should at least look at who they’re in bed with.
apolitical is also a word with a definition
Definitions, or rather language, tend to change over time. Usually turning into their opposites. And nothing stops people, in this case right wingers, to abuse a term to hide their crap either. See “Evolution: Contoversy”. No,I’m sorry, just like “Hacker” has become a synonym for “Cracker” & “Black Hat”, so “apolitical” has become a fig leaf to “hide” right wing bullshit in plain sight
Sure everything has a definition. Like antropsophy - doesn’t mean it makes sense.
IMO there is no such thing as “apolitical”. Organisations or projects where money or resources flow are automatically political. Because where are the resources or the money coming from?
So absolutely every commercial activity is “political”? What is the political nature of selling sheep cheese for example?
To fight big cow dairy?
I always suspected the miniature rail operators in the local city park are proponents of big rail feeding already the youngest with pro-rail propaganda!
what do you buy instead?
Usually very old (more tenth than second-hand) Lenovo ThinkPads (And, yes, I am aware of IBMs involvement in Holocaust management via the Deutsche Hollerith-Maschienen AG), they tend to be ok for neat things like LibreBoot too. If I didn’t want to tinker with them myself I’d buy directly from https://minifree.org/ instead. Sure, they are oooooold, but I’m a programmer of the vim-persuasion, but not compiling horrible languages like C++, so I really don’t need much. That said: I am ok with people making their own decisions, following their own moral compass; I really just wanted to make sure that they are at least aware and can make an informed decision ;-)
Ok, please, go ahead, explain me the political dimension of any part of Omarchy. No, not the guy behind it, the Linux “distro”. I am listening.
And what exactly makes any leading figure of Hyprland an actual Nazi? Please elaborate with concrete arguments.
I do not agree with everything in that thread but I do agree on that part: every project or organisation that is involved in flow of money or resources(which dev-time is!) is automatically living in a political space.
Sucks because I was strongly considering Framework for my next laptop. That said, it sounds like they may rethink their sponsorship approach with that bit at the end - they acknowledged the past issues with the Hyprland community but did due diligence, and they plan to involve the community more going forward.
May be empty promises but time will tell.
They’re literally just sponsoring one of the biggest wms out there, I don’t feel like that’s abt framework, rather then hyprland/vaxry
What’s the excuse for omarchy? It’s completely irrelevant.
what computing company hasn’t sponsored nazis?
its not a black and white decision
Tenuous at best.
Follow the money and see when it starts getting uncomfortable for you.
