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  • I used effectual equivalent for a reason.

    I did say it was somewhat hyperbolous but there are real life examples that are possible.

    Something like extended bullying directly leading to suicide, lies with the intention of causing harm or death.

    Calls to violence that lead to deaths that otherwise wouldn’t likely happen is a good example of one that can be technically correct but difficult to prove.

    Intentionally telling someone a door leads to safety when it actually leads to a spike pit is effectually the same as stabbing them yourself.

    Are those examples good enough for an answer?

    Im looking for how the idea holds up at the logical extreme so I can understand the bounds of the theoretical context.

    There doesn’t have to be a good answer either, some ideas only work in a limited boundary and break down at the extremes.


  • SenaltoComic Strips@lemmy.worldhad this convo just yesterday 🤦‍♀️
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    16 hours ago

    I know its a hyperbolic example (though entirely possible in the context you describe)

    What would be your thoughts on speech that had the effectual equivalent of murder?

    There’s no traps here im just interested in the thought process behind the context you provided.


    Side note: if verbal violence is possible then it would probably track that there are degrees of violence, much like the physical equivalent.

    If that’s true the argument that you shouldn’t regulate subjectively heavy violence because “who here hasn’t physically hurt someone?” Isn’t a reasonable as it sounds at first glance.


    For the record, Rowling is a shitbag, the potter books are mediocre and the actors were the best thing about the movies.

    None of that bias is in the foundation of my questions though.








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    See, no relevance to the response required.

    It doesn’t even need to make sense.

    Still devastating in it’s efficacy.

    I’ll look into a way to archive Lemmy threads so that future generations might benefit from access to the raw brilliance.

    Rather than some paraphrased anecdote.



  • The answer is generic …which means it can be applied to the specific circumstance.

    Here is an example, as the answer to your question :

    this man has 12 years experience as a board member. Would he not have the qualifications to perform the job?

    Going by the example evaluation steps i provided, he would have the qualifications to perform the job , if:

    • The success criteria for the position were known
    • His history/skillset/experience/future prospects were likely to meet or exceed those criteria


    If you want to know if he’s the most qualified for the job you also need to:

    • Rank all the candidates, based on how well they match to the success criteria.


    and he would need to be at the top of the rankings.

    If you’re going to ask who does these evaluations in the specific example being talked about, it would be the voters, perhaps a final approval board as well, if one exists in these scenarios.

    Outside of that example, it can vary.


    I shouldn’t have to but I’m going to point out that i said this is a simple quotable answer, not that it was the only answer, or even the best answer.

    My argument has always been that evaluation of fitness for a role isn’t impossible. Not that there is a perfect method, nor that these methods are being used competently or at all. Just that they do exist.

    As for personal opinion, this guy sounds like an asshole, i personally know lots of incompetent people in positions they neither earned nor are qualified for, I’m not saying the current state of things is good, because i don’t think it is.





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    indeed, your witty repartee and peerless argumentative structure have left me nowhere to hide, conversationally speaking.

    Even the animated equivalent of a “no u” was a masterstroke, perfectly timed to wound me.

    I am bested.


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    And again, as I said ,all of that was In response to specific context.

    Amongst all of the other replies that you’ve conveniently ignored.

    Taking quotes from a specific context and pretending they apply overall is poor reasoning. Again congrats on the consistency.

    I suspect you aren’t going to understand what I mean though (intentionally probably, but possibly just struggling).

    Tell you what, you win, congrats on your intellectual triumph, a victory truly earned.



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    You can put new people on the ISS, fucking duh, and it’s still much lower risk than a moon mission. Not zero risk, just significantly lower risk for the same results, as I already said.

    If you’ll go back and read what i said i was responding directly to the quote :

    You could get 40% more of the same data by increasing output on the ISS with no increased risk of death.


    The difference between zero and low gravity is not subjective.

    Agreed, It’s a good job that isn’t what i was claiming then, “The difference in environment between the ISS and the moon is worthless” is subjective.


    “Justifications exist for this course of action even if they’re stupid” is a bad argument to make and you should stop making it,

    Not what i said originally , it’s in the chat history, please try harder.

    I’ll put down the sentence you wrote, and my response to it.

    There is literally zero reason for us to put people in space when we can send drones to do it.

    response

    There are several reasons to put actual people in to space.

    They might be reasons you think worth it, but they do exist.

    The follow up :

    Whether or not the reasons are good is irrelevant to my original argument.

    Doesn’t imply the reasons are bad, just that they are irrelevant.


    if you know you’re not qualified to evaluate the validity of those justifications then quit trying

    If you think qualifications are required for statements clearly stated as opinions then feel free to provide yours.

    Also, not what i said, you should really read the comments properly before responding to them, if you incorrectly paraphrase text that is easily accessible if makes you look incompetent.

    Not directly referencing the text you are paraphrasing because it wouldn’t help your pseudo argument if you did, is also a weak move.

    If you’re asking me whether or not i think the reasons are good, my answer is i don’t know and I’m not invested enough in the answer to go looking.

    a bit further down is :

    I don’t know enough to be certain about any of that though.

    and that has a specific context attached to it, arguing against a point while pretending the clearly established context doesn’t exist is also not a good look.


    This is somewhat disappointing, at least come up with something that will hold up to more than 10 seconds of scrutiny.