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  • Yliaster@lemmy.worldtoSocialism@lemmy.mlFreedom
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    3 小时前

    You can’t be class-less and hierarchial at the same time, so I’m not sure how you concluded that class society can only be ended by socialism.

    Furthermore, you are conflating organization and structure with hierarchy. You do not need hierarchy for administration.


  • Yliaster@lemmy.worldtoSocialism@lemmy.mlFreedom
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    3 小时前

    Yeah but that’s a strawman. Abusing ones position ≠ the extent of control one has when they can literally write the law.

    It’s far worse, and the kind of power they have makes them an entirely distinct class that is incomparable to merely corrupt doctors or teachers. Doctors and teachers can’t collude and compound their influence into being above the law, literally rewrite the law, be the law and easily shut down all inquiry that would hurt them or their group’s interests. Doctors and teachers don’t have anything like this, and their power is strictly restricted to medical/educational settings.



  • Yliaster@lemmy.worldtoSocialism@lemmy.mlFreedom
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    3 小时前

    It does come off as you defending it when you don’t consider it bad or criticize the idea, and instead assert for it.

    We can do better. Just because everyone does it, doesn’t mean we can’t do better.

    Classes can be destroyed and we can build class-less societies without hierarchy in lieu of anarchism.


  • Yliaster@lemmy.worldtoSocialism@lemmy.mlFreedom
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    3 小时前

    Teachers and doctors do not make their own laws.

    I gave you reasons, you’re reverting to vague responses to make generalized truisms that aren’t true when analyzed specifically.

    You’re not engaging with my reasoning about why bureaucracy is entirely different at all.


  • Yliaster@lemmy.worldtoSocialism@lemmy.mlFreedom
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    3 小时前

    Except in practice it’s not proletarians doing these things, it’s bureaucrats who end up forming their own class and class interests in the name of the proletariat. The average proletariat isn’t actually the one who makes these rules or checks or applies censorships. See China, USSR, Cuba.

    There shouldn’t be classes to begin with. Eliminating hierarchies in lieu of anarchism deals with the issue without it being “another dictatorship”


  • Yliaster@lemmy.worldtoSocialism@lemmy.mlFreedom
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    3 小时前

    “Everyone does it!” is literally a logical fallacy.

    It’s not even just “some”, you’re minimizing the extent of control here. You cannot have a state held accountable if it systematically suppresses criticism against it.


  • Yliaster@lemmy.worldtoSocialism@lemmy.mlFreedom
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    3 小时前

    Teachers and doctors don’t get to make laws to further their own interests, make it easier for others they know to do the same, amongst the countless other power moves bureaucrats are able to pull off. This power concentrates and develops them into their own class with their own interests because they are so largely cut off and distinguished from the rest of the working population.

    Teachers and doctors are nothing like bureaucrats, that’s a fallacious analogy.


  • Yliaster@lemmy.worldtoSocialism@lemmy.mlFreedom
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    3 小时前

    Those words don’t mean anything when they are used to censor. The introduction of censorship allows censors to censor anything, regardless of whether or not it is “capitalist” or not.

    There is no way of knowing whether only “capitalist” content is censored or if criticisms that are staunchly and directly against the state (which absolutely deserves its place in any state that doesn’t want to be an echo chamber) are also being censored under the veneer of “capitalism”.




  • Yliaster@lemmy.worldtoSocialism@lemmy.mlFreedom
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    5 小时前

    This is not the case in any of the AES countries.

    China, Cuba, Historical USSR. No such thing what you described. It’s state-controlled. In china, it’s bureaucratic class that controls the media, not average workers by any means.


  • Yliaster@lemmy.worldtoSocialism@lemmy.mlFreedom
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    5 小时前

    For sure— I’m not saying freedom of press actually exists under capitalism.

    My point is that socialism doesn’t have freedom of press either. Censorship and surveillance by the vanguard state (see China, Cuba, historical USSR) is routine.

    “Dictatorship of the proletariat”. Unfortunately, dictatorships do not have a tendency to allow for freedom of press.