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17 hours agoI want you to stop lying about what Framework did or does, that’s all.
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If we agree the issue is about denouncing alone, and not any material activity, maybe the intellectually honest thing would be to update
tech company funding racists and transphobes
They support and fund DHH
to say what you actually mean — a tech company that refused to take a stance outside of their purview. (As a company). Which, I agree, is not exactly a badge of honour.
(Not to mention they never, once, funded DHH directly. But sure, retweets win at the exchange rate.)
(Oh and please look up Mette Frederiksen at some point.)
Because… of the paper trail? Rails World 2026 sponsorships are up and they are not in; they haven’t retweeted Omarchy rices since October; and… I admit, I can’t be sure they haven’t sent him another computer. Which — as you know — concludes the exhaustive trifecta of clear, loud and unambiguous support for bigots.
But you, I, and everyone else knows it’s not about what they do materially. As someone in a related thread actually put in writing, they ought to “denounce, when questioned”.
Meh.
That’s not how it works, right? You make the accusation; so you provide the evidence.
The claim implied in the present tense is that their relationship with DHH (insofar as there was one) is still ongoing.
As I remembered, he positively reviewed a different book by her (Bad Therapy), which deals with parenting, and not with trans issues. Looking again (not happily), he does mention Irreversible Damage — but in passing, in an ambivalent way.
I think he never broached that particular topic, but I don’t have the stomach to go over DHH’s writing and check in detail. So you might be right.
The present tense “support” is not true. If unintentional, probably best to edit the reply?
I would add links to some of the conclusions in that same gargantuan thread:
https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-right-racists/75986/1630
https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-right-racists/75986/629
DHH is a an ethno-nationalist and a racist, I’ll grant that.
Care to support the transphobes angle with evidence? Or does it work like an honorary title?
1·2 days agocontagion ethics
This, exactly. Ideological analogue of one drop of blood.
not denounced […] when questioned
Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
But this is the crux, right? That they refused the struggle sess, not that they’ve done anything particularly bad. Because materially:
funded the […] multiple times
False. Once, and even that is is tenuous. The laptop was one of many not to support the recipients, but to ensure compatibility. During the 3 weeks that the Internet thought Omarchy was cool.
chooses to KNOWINGLY work with and FUND them
False. Funding had already happened by the time the issue was flagged, and there are no indications that any more money is going DHH’s way.
And moreover Anarcat, who originally raised the issue, soon agreed that Framework are in the clear:
it matters, so much, that Framework did that research. for me this is the key difference between uncertainty about the politics of Framework (where the whole thing would have been dog whistlings) and due dilligence (where this is all a basically massive misunderstanding
But that is not the remedy requested. Instead, they are invited to performative self-humiliation:
concerns of others
apologize for funding him
admit the fault
…which they never did. And this makes some people angry. Because this is a power struggle where a small online clique is trying to assert its authority to gatekeep the in-group.
So why don’t you do all of us a favor, and redirect that struggle session shit to any of the AI companies, or the suppliers pivoting to cater to them, or the surveillance-tech, or Alex fucking Karp in particular — all of whom are materially making our world worse and are much closer to actual fascism — and away from an OK-ish little electronics manufacturer that is doing quite all right for the narrow purpose that they have?
No, Framework didn’t fund Nazis, and everyone still loves them.
This is bullshit internet gossip.
Dude named Nirav Patel explained that his approach to making electronics is informed by his growing up in an immigrant family, which “had to be thrifty” (in one of their videos on their YT cca 2024). How likely is it that such a dude is a white supremacist? Or was he supposed to be a Hindutva supremacist?
If he was a supremacist, how likely would he be advancing that agenda by retweeting a rice by DHH — a minor figure on the sidelines — sending him a laptop, and sponsoring a local DHH-affiliated Ruby event with relatively modest $20K?
Much more probably, they randomly threw some money around free software and only later figured out who DHH is.
He also clearly distanced himself personally from such views:
To avoid disappointing anyone later who wants to ascribe beliefs to me, I am pro-immigrant and pro-LGBTQ.
…if this was not obvious from the start.
7·2 months agoIt’s an alien generation ship!
Web engine development is more costly than even OS development, we’re talking costs that often run into the hundreds of millions per year
And then there are heroes we don’t deserve, but sorely need: git.sr.ht/~bptato/chawan.
12·1 year agoAfter all they’ve done to ensure their users’ privacy, I would be genuinely shocked if they capitulate to just this one country.
Of course they won’t.
The problem happens when other countries start following the precedent and too many of them make the same ask. There are parallel processes in the UK, and at the EU level.
181·2 years agoNo, you confess and repent.
Frankly, I can live with that framing.
On both counts, even.