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B-List Disputes: The Unlikely Chronicles of Mr. and Mrs. Binks.
There are only 3 star wars movies, two ewok movies and that’s it
This. This is exactly why people pick the guy in the Star Trek shirt.
I presume he means “The Star Wars” if we’re being pedantic
Weird. I’ve called it “A New Hope” to differentiate it from the other movies since 1990 or so. At the beginning of the movie, when the words are scrolling, it says, “A New Hope.”
That’s kind of his point. The original release didn’t say that. The rerelease in 1978 did.
The original release didn’t say “A New Hope” in that scrolling text at the beginning of the movie?!?
No, it didn’t because at the time Lucas didn’t expect to make more movies. He did have the basics for a larger story on his head, but the first movie was made as a standalone, telling the middle part of a larger story. If i remember correctly, when the first movie was being made, Lucas hadn’t even decided that Vader would be Luke’s father. He thought of that after the movie’s success and when it became clear it would become a series.
Edit: To finish the story - the title credits for the first movie were added later, after the original release, when it was clear that more movies would come out and that each one would need its own title. But before all of that, the first movie was simply titled “Star Wars”
As I remember it, the original title crawl did indeed say “Episode IV A NEW HOPE.” This was despite it being the first movie made – to give it the feeling of starting in the middle of a larger drama.
When you went outside the Marquee said Star Wars. The VHS says Star Wars. But the movie calls itself STAR WARS Episode IV A NEW HOPE.
Is this splitting hairs? Yes.
EDIT. I was wrong. In 1977 there was no subtitle in the crawl because of FOX. In 1981, there was.
The opening crawl in the first Star Wars film is very different from Lucas’s original intention. The original text, used in the rough cut he showed to friends and studio executives in February 1977, appears in the Marvel Comics adaptation of the film. When originally released in May 1977, the first film was simply titled Star Wars, as 20th Century Fox forbade Lucas to use a subtitle on grounds that it could be confusing, since there had been no other Star Wars movies prior to 1977.[2][10] In addition, it was not certain if the film would be followed with a sequel. When The Empire Strikes Back was released in 1980, the episode number, “Episode V”, and subtitle “THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK” appeared as the first two lines of the opening crawl.^[citation needed]^ To match its sequel’s crawl, the episode number “Episode IV” and subtitle “A NEW HOPE” were added for the film’s theatrical re-release in April 1981.
Fox and now Disney made such a good job of erasing it from memory that it has been almost forgotten. But here in this video you can still see how it was back in 1977. Also, other very subtle stylistic choices on font, crawl movement, etc. that were changed for the re-releases. Modern streaming versions are also different from the ones originally on theaters.
Interesting, it really does start you right in media res.
Also Luke was “Starkiller” for most of the length of the development of the movie.
The scene where Luke rescues Leia from the jail, they filmed it with him being called “Luke Starkiller”. Here’s Mark Hamill himself telling the story.
https://youtube.com/shorts/w3pvz7rM48Y
Also, don’t you mean before that, titled “The Star Wars”? (I honestly don’t know, but didn’t someone earlier say the original had “the” in the title?) (Edit oh yeah there is a comment saying that but it’s another thread on this same post, dk about the veracity)
Han shot first.
No! And the reason I say no is because Greedo didn’t shoot at all! In some versions they both shoot and in some Han shoots first and in some second. In the one I grew up with (VHS box set, face edition) he is the only one to shoot.
Maclunkey!
Yeah, no. That green fucker never even had a chance to pull his trigger. Han capped him in the coldest of blood then sauntered out with less bothers than Winnie-the-Pooh with a tummy full of hunny.
I know. But back when Lucas first changed it, “Han shot first” was the slogan people used. It’s short, as slogans should be. What else would you use? “Greedo never shot”? “Only Han shot”? Those don’t sound as good, at least to me. “Han shot first” can also mean that Greedo never got to fire his gun, because Han was quicker. So I’ll stick with that.
I get you. I think my problem with Han Shot First is that it forgives the ret-con and I don’t want to do that. I’d rather be pedantic about it. But I have no hate to people that make the pithy Han Shot First comment, its better than Han shot in self-defense beccause Mos-Eisley is a stand your ground state.
God forbid a character start out as an asshole so he has room for character growth.
What I hate so much about the modern versions is that not only do they try to make him not a bad guy, but they out that stupid scene with Jabba in right after it. Narratively it serves the same purpose as the previous scene and the dialogue is nearly identical. Plus it really cheapens how big of a threat Jabba should be. Han steps on him. Jabba was throwing people into a pit just for shits and giggles. Why would he let someone step on him? Some scenes really should stay deleted.
I wouldn’t call that being an asshole.
Only Han shot.
Damn right!
And he was so full of shit when talking about the Kessel run.
Han: “I did the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs. smug grin”
Luke: “Isn’t a parsec a unit of distance, not time?”
Han: “Shut up, kid.”
I always interpreted this as him using shortcuts through dangerous areas.
It was so dumb that they tried to justify that comment on the Solo movie.
There was a lot of dumb shit in that Solo movie.
Man, I did the trip to the shops in under 1KM!
Chewwie never gets tired of hearing about that one.
The arizona ranger did
With the big iron on his hip?
Big iron, biiig iiron!
Han shot
first.FTFY
Stargate: Universe S1E6 “Water”
I would not look to characters from SG:U for a healthy outlook on anything.
Here’s $5. Go watch a Star War.
The War of the Star!
I finally found the original, un-fucked with Star Wars without all the Lucas edits and CGI. So much better than the crap they messed with.
Look into 4k77 and 4k83 for new hope and return of the Jedi. Idk if 4k80 is done yet for empire. Harmy’s despecialized versions are good too.
What’s this? An edited down version of the revised OG trilogy?
No, a group of restorers got hold of an original reel and restored it, so we get to see the original cinematic release.
The picture quality is way better too.
https://blog.outtolunch.me.uk/2020/10/11/i-watched-project-4k77/
Now that I have a faster computer, I want to splice the Biggs deleted scenes back in. Lucas did my boy Biggs dirty.
Ok, cool. Thanks. I’ll look for it.
4k77 + the Biggs deleted scenes 🤍
If the scrawl says “episode IV” it was already fucked with.
Star Wars mananaged to have each movie retcon something, including the first one. ;)
There is only one Star Wars movie. The rest is fanfiction.
Yes
Idk why they called it Christmas “special”, since it’s a single movie-
There is only one Star Wars movie.
It’s Caravan of Courage, right?
That was “The Ewok Adventure” and that was the only name it ever had. There was no caravan. There might have been some courage. It was Dollar Store Drew Barrymore, Dollar Store Luke, and Wicket selling VHS tapes and add spots on the ABC Sunday Night Movie of the Week spot in the 80s.
I don’t know when this “Caravan of Courage” stuff started, but the VHS box I had as a kid didn’t say that at all.
Those of us who saw it in the theater in 1977 all agree.
I was so young, my mom took me there
Same. We made popcorn at home and brought it to the theater in paper shopping bags. We had to wait in an insanely long line. The film broke during the trash compaction scene and we had to just sit there for ten minutes until they fixed it.
Dude same. Your mom was awesome.
I saw it years later when it was released on HBO in 1983 and I agree.
I am SO old that I don’t actually remember their “additional names”. Star Wars… I don’t even remember the sequence… 4-5-6? I’m old enough to not care about that bullshit either.
I remember being utterly distraught after the first one came out and Lucas said it was the first of nine movies. The thought of having to wait that long to see them was a torment. And then I didn’t give a shit any more by the time Return of the Jedi came out; I only saw that one years later on VHS and I was like “why the fuck are muppets in this movie?” Have still never seen the prequels or the recent ones.
Muppets? You mean those tiny bears near the end of the movie? Yeah, that was unnecessary comedy moment in the overall comedy adventure movie.
No, I meant the cackling muppet in the Jabba the Hutt scene.
And the rebellion were the actual true terrorists.
Their “alliance” with the ewoks during the battle of endor definitely broke the prime directive.
Nub jub
Agh! Get behind me satan!
OK grandpa, let’s get you to bed. I’ll put on some Star Trek for you.
Finally a show that makes sense!
